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Arguments against religion

How to use this

Find a question (or answer). Read the first answer (or question) to it, and then collapse it to look for any secondary answers (or questions) to the same question (or answer).

Edits to make:

  • Each question could just be it's own question, instead of being chained.
    • For example, Q>A>Link to next Question.
  • The chains of questions, since this is religion, is likely to make a circular web. This is speculation, of course, let's see.
  • Note: Questions could have been unordered and ID referenced, but I'll instead go with a sequence, just because I prefer it
    • I could try creating a link and see it's graph by using a separate vault though
      • Vault 1: Questions in separate files
      • Vault 2: Questions and Answers in separate files
  • Try philosophizing the principles of religion too
Important

Import corrections from the Test2 Vault

1. Why can't god guide everyone personally, like he guided people in the past? He should be very capable of doing it.

God's ways are his and shouldn't be questioned

  • Counter: Question 2

He gave a few chances to humanity, but they never learn

  • Counter: Question 16

2. Is god not responsible for all the suffering in the world?

Not following god's word is the reason for suffering

  • Counter: Question 3

3. He has given everyone the freedom to choose, but why is it that the ones who follow suffer from the actions of others?

(A non-monotheistic explanation is all is one, one is all.)

Our aim should be to preach and convert everyone

  • Counter: Question 4

4. Why can't god convert people himself, if he is capable of making people think in different languages in an instant, like with the Tower of Babel?

His ways are unknown

  • Counter: Question 5

He expects us to do it ourselves, because that is the reason for humanity as a whole

  • Counter: Question 6, Question 14

5. Repeat, is he not responsible for all the suffering in the world?

  • No Answer Yet

6. Why would someone not fix a problem he can fix in an instant?

It is not god's responsibility to fix our lack of faith. Those who have faith have no problems.

  • Counter: Question 7, Question 27 (Devil - to know Why did he create evil)

7. But answer the previous question, is it not his responsibility to fix the suffering in the world that's due to lack of faith, which he allowed in the world?

We will suffer now so that the evil ones will burn in hell

  • Counter: Question 27 (Devil - to know Why did he create evil), Question 8, Question 11

It's not god, it's the devil

  • Counter: Question 27 (Devil)

8. Why did you have to suffer that much?

The test is necessary for obedience

People who follow the word of god don't suffer

  • Counter: Question 9

9. Why do other people who follow the law suffer, because of the desires they have been given?

One must repent to eliminate those desires, and a true heart will have eliminated those desires

  • Counter: Question 10

10. It is not as easy as it sounds. If it was so easy, why didn't he make us without desires so that we didn't have to do it in the first place?

(A non-monotheistic explanation is that all desires are part of our nature, and it's not a sin. Suffering arises from our ability to not understand and control our nature, and instead choosing to repress it, leading to unintentional violent outbursts.)

No Answer Yet

11. And ask, some people don't like whatever is available heaven, because it does not satisfy their desires, will they not suffer in heaven?

They were not meant to be in heaven anyways

  • Counter: Question 12

All desires will be satisfied in heaven

  • Counter: Question 13

12. Is it not god's fault for giving them desires that cannot be found in heaven?

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13. Say couldn't that have been possible well in earth itself, without having to be tested?

The test is necessary for obedience

14. But that hasn't worked out well, and has resulted in suffering, so isn't he responsible for not acting on a problem that he can fix?

It is not his responsibility to fix our lack of faith. Those who have faith have no problems.

  • Counter: Question 15

15. Is it not his responsibility to fix the problem of lack of faith he put in our hearts?

It's not him, it's the devil

  • Counter: Question 27 (Devil)

16. Can't an infinite lord give infinite chances?

No, people will never change

  • Counter: Question 17

17. Then he should've known that a few chances are futile, so he shouldn't have given any in the first place.

He hasn't forgiven anyone

  • Counter: Question 18, Question 19

18. Why is god a narcissist? Or is god just a reflection of your own desire for control?

No Answer Yet

19. Why would you worship an unforgiving god, when he put desires in our mind, when he could have just not done that

It's about having freedom

  • Counter: Question 20

20. If one gives someone freedom, then he is also give freedom to make mistakes, and then he is also responsible for forgiving mistakes.

One should repent

  • Counter: Question 21

The rules are to prepare you for something bigger ^heaven-without-test-for-obedience

  • Counter: Question 22, Question 23, Question 24

God's just testing our faith so we obey him in the future

  • Counter: Question 25

God will allow us to have any of what we desire without side-effects in heaven

  • Counter: Question 26

21. Again, because of the desires we're given, we are bound to make the same mistakes again and again due. Even if we wish to eliminate them, they always return, because that's the way we are made. Is it not unfair to create us in that manner?

22. Why would an infinite god's justification be to make someone suffer to prepare them for something bigger, when he could've just prepared them in an instant?

23. Is it just not your lack of imagination of all the better things that could've happened in this world that's leading you to believe in something bigger that needs a great deal of sacrifice to be able to experience?

24. The vision of heaven is so boring to many people already, which is why they don't believe in it. Why did god give us desires which are not so-called heavenly, why did he give them to us in the first place to make things pointlessly harder?

25. Is it not a slave kingdom?

26. Why would he not just let us have them peacefully in this world without all the side-effects?

(Anyways, theoretically, all desires do have to be balanced or else we will lose interest in them. This leads me to believe heaven is just an illusion, like a mirage, that even god would consider pointless. It is no different from a drug that will give a temporary high that you can never reach again, leading you into an endless addiction, because first time's the charm.)

No Answer Yet

27. Why did god create the devil?

He was an angel who was cast out

  • Counter: Question 28

It was to test us

  • Counter: Heaven without test, Question 33 (Also Refer back to Question 1 chain about god not wanting to guide us himself [and it being his responsibility - Question 7])

28. Ask why would a god create a devil separately to foil his own plans? If the devil was a cast out, why couldn't he just have burned him without letting him cause problems for others? After all, mortals die in flesh, and the dead ones won't spread problems with their minds, so why could he have not made the same decision with the devil?

He expects us to do the right thing and follow his commands:

  • Counter: Question 29

Killing the devil would make other angels worship him out of fear and not love

  • Counter: Question 30

Killing the devil would make other angels fear him, but letting him live will let others see the results of his wicked ways

  • Counter: Question 32

29. Say, did he not know that we are so fragile that the devil could corrupt us? Knowing that we would do that, why did he make us so that we will be punished because of his own mistake?

No Answer Yet

30. Aren't we forced to worship god out of fear than love?

They are angels and we are mortals

  • Counter: Question 31

31. Isn't the judgement same for all

If they say, yes, it is the same at the time of judgement, and hence all will be punished equally

No Counter Yet

32. Ask them, why should one who disagrees always be wrong and evil? It is also possible for a person to disagree with god's ways and still make a life that's good for himself and others.

No Answer Yet

33. Why would he need to test us instead of making us proper in the first place?

Freedom is essential, but in heaven, bad deeds are disallowed, and we need to do good things while having freedom

  • Counter: Question 34

34. Ask, does it not go against the idea of freedom itself?

Say that freedom without discipline leads to bad outcomes, and we can't have bad people in heaven

  • Counter: Question 35

35. Why couldn't god just have created perfect people without freedom, instead of making some people suffer first? Did he not know in the first place when he made someone that put in their body and situation, they would behave exactly as they were built to?

No Answer Yet

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